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Hagman talking about his mom at her Kennedy Center honor in , a year before her death. But, as the fervor and finger-pointing and witch-hunting continue, people who really are being molested are being ignored and their molesters are getting away with it. Were they all pretty easy to get along with? The son really looks like his Grandma Mary in that pic! Oh, r, what a warrior for justice you are. Thanks to those who were interested and pleasant.

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Now, why on earth would Larry Hagman react so negatively, at first, to Rusty making a simple quip like "too bad Jeannie's not here to fix this with a blink. And, the ability to come up with such a witty line on the spot is a sign of intelligence not stupidity. Does it take balls to tell a joke to a big star?!

Hagman can I wipe down your forehead? Your head must be awfully hot under these lights, what with that cowboy hat and pasted on hairpiece and all. I always thought that Linda Gray had such great sex appeal that it's too bad she never had a feature film career. I think she would've been fabulous. She reminds me of Jessica Lange a bit.

Larry, Linda and Patrick were apparently bonded for life. Weren't both of them with him shortly before he died? Any thoughts on Barbara Bel Geddes , Rusty? She left the show in due to wanting more money not health reasons and the producers showed her the door. What about Leonard Katzman disliking Victoria and other cast members not liking her besides Larry?

They thought they could do without her when she left in and I think lowballed her with only a modest raise when she was willing to stay one more season. Then they came begged her to return in 88 she told them hell no. Katzman, Hagman and Duffy really destroyed the show with their egos and salaries.

Rusty come on over to the thread where the whole SbS situation is being discussed. Start by reading r15 there not here , as that's the confession of the kid who got molested on the set by a producer whom we now believe to be Josh Byrne - not BrsndonCall! It's someone who was a cute year-old when he started, then started growing and getting fat and was leet go the last year.

All his other perpetrators or predators were not from SbS. He ado thought a fellow child actor who was playing his brother got abused and another actor from somewhere else got abused - along with him - by an outside of SbS actor who eventually got arrested reason unmentioned.

Take a chill pill. Are you always this touchy, Rusty? Are you sure Larry's reaction to your joke was as initially salty as you made it out to be, or was it just you? By the way, "girl" was also said in jest, and was not specifically directed towards you. That makes me question his bonafides since he pulled that shit just as the questions were getting good Relax, r97, I was joking right back.

And I've not gone anywhere. Do I need to put a wink? Rusty is my new favorite poster. Please, please tell me what you can about Friends, namely the rumor that Valerie Cherish is thinly-based on Bruce Springsteen's famous dancing partner. I guess someone sent the lawyers in to attack and discredit Rusty, so he'll stop posting.

Not surprised pedophiles thrive in an industry that uses so many intimidation tactics to shut people up. R96, I've been watching that thread and have nothing more to add to it. I do have theories, but, as I said, it would be speculation. I can only repeat that Patrick Duffy, as I knew him, was not the type to knock up a costar.

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The man I knew, despite having a randy sense of humor, wasn't someone to take advantage of a starlet.

I didn't watch him 24 hours a day, so, that's just based on what I saw. R95, Katzman was a huge tool. He was among those who weren't so kind to me as I mentioned above without naming him specifically. You're right, he was a reason that Victoria left, and the offer to return was insulting. He's the reason for Linda's departure, too. As I said, the initial refusal to let her direct was a blow to her.

That was only partially rectified later, and there's still resentment. You're partially correct about Barbara Bel Geddes. Her health truly was a consideration in her temporary departure. That wasn't just bunk for the press. She was held in high regard by the cast, and, during her absence, a sort of mystique developed around her, like a legend led by Larry leading to her almost seeming sanctified.

Yes, Katzman was a total dick. Homophobic, misogynistic, crooked and cruel. Still, he was not the worst I've known, but, that's a horror story I can't share even though it would give me great glee. I can address some Friends and other NBC show stuff later if we finish at a decent hour or tomorrow, though, I don't truly want to hijack this thread.

That was not my goal. I apologize to those who thought I was being bitchy and flouncing. I'm a dry sort of person and sometimes it doesn't translate to text. A connection, I'm sure. R, I know you don't feel comfortable discussing Brandon Call, but can you give us some sort of hint of how he changed after that very strange shooting?

I don't think so. So I guess Larry and Patrick did not vouch for Linda as a director? Surely they had the power to make it happen if they wanted it? I grew up in California in the 70s and 80s. I spent a lot of time nude in hot tubs and at nude beaches as a kid. No one ever tried anything sexual. It's more comfortable to be nude in the water and more hygienic, fabric traps bacteria close to your skin.

At around eight I developed a sense of modesty and started wearing swim suits even at the nude beaches. R, I never saw any glory holes. That's what trailers, dressing rooms, catwalks, property storage and honey wagons are for. That I do know. My pubes are black, not that it's vital to the topic.

I was always grateful not to have red pubes. My head hair is still thick and auburn, but darker than it was, though I've begun to see gray in the temples. R, forgive me, but, I'd rather not discuss Brandon. It's not my place. I'm happy to discuss lighter things and my own experiences with people and shows, but, all I know of Brandon after was not learned by my direct observation.

Look, I'm not flouncing, but, the side discussion seems to be bothering someone or many. If there are threads where I can be of help, I'll post. I'm certainly not going to start a new thread for myself, and don't want to be the focus of any thread. This one should remain for critiquing this photo and debating its appropriateness. I apologize to the OP.

I initially posted my knowledge of Mr. Hagman and tried to answer questions asked. I'm not being a dick. There's a topic here and an intention behind it and I sincerely don't want to intrude. R, how much more could be possibly said about a single photo that hasn't already been addressed within the first hundred posts of this thread?

To satisfy everyone, I will create a thread with the title that R proposed. Everything that Rusty can dish about his experiences on set can be placed there. Get those questions ready!! I was trying to figure that out myself. Maybe they're outtakes from a set of photos that were to be used for an article about Hagman. I saw Hagman's wife, Mai, in person in Preston and Mai look much younger than I remember them, so it was taken in the s.

The Bottoms perfect name family did the nekkid in the hot tub thing also. I remember seeing a photo of them years ago and being turned on by the hot young Bottoms brothers while at the same time horrified by the family all nekkid together. Three actor brothers, Sam, Joseph, and Timothy.

They were popular in the 70ss. I don't recall if their parents were in the acting biz or not. R how did LSD do that for you? Did you regularly take it, or was it just something you did once in awhile? Wow speak of the devil literally - just posted at the Fail.

Larry's daughter Kristina is publicizing her new book re growing up Hagman. Not a fun ride to hear her tell it. Growing up with a drunken dad who wears a pimpy fur coat and an anything-goes Swedish mom. Martin was only 17 when Larry was born and her career came first.

It was a fairly high dose. I was a teen novice, but it radically changed my perception of connectedness. The end was wretched, so I never touched it again, although I did mushrooms x recreationally. It has been at least 10 years. We often see "the other" as a monolithic entity, without valid feelings or emotions or desires or prejudices or wants and needs, and cast ourselves with an appositive false individuality based on our membership in the "non-other" group.

Here's an example- how many vociferously anti-war Democrats did you know , begging the gods for an indictment of Bush for war crimes? How many of those anti-war Democrats now defend Obama's continuation of those wars? If you believe that every person has agency to act, and responsibility for those actions, the monolithic "Us" vs.

Rusty r - would love to hear your point of view in the appropriate thread the one about the molested child actors , even if it's just speculation. You can precede it by saying it's just speculation and you don't have to ID yourself. I don't like the continued insinuations that he was a molester. There's a lot of that on here lately. While there were certainly molesters in the industry, and, sadly, continue to be, not every man in entertainment is a molester.

I say this as someone who was raped repeatedly as a four year old boy. We can't accuse randomly because it weakens the real claims. Not because he was a neglectful drunk or self-centered or not as attentive as he should have been? Not for making any other bad choices in life? Think what you want. But, as the fervor and finger-pointing and witch-hunting continue, people who really are being molested are being ignored and their molesters are getting away with it.

I'd rather focus my energy on helping those who have truly suffered than looking for people who might, possibly, maybe, could have been molesters. Fight the real molesters instead of looking for specious reasons to accuse everyone. Oh, r, what a warrior for justice you are.

Sensitive to the plight of the abused. I'm glad to have your diagnosis, Doctor. You're a true humanitarian, fighting for poor, abused kids. If you can't see the error in your logic than you are more fucked up than I could ever be. Yes, I endured being molested.

And, yes, dear heart, I'm getting help so I can live without paranoia. Thank you for thinking of me. I try to live without being afraid. It's a better way to live, for me at least. Clearly not for you. Yes, I've been getting help. I have been for decades. I'll tell you this, I'm more self aware and realistic about this issue than you will ever be.

When I undress I have the scars to remind me of how serious an issue this is. Scars on my body years later. Souvenirs from the men who hurt me. I hate the scars almost as much as I hate those men who hurt me. I am more aware of the suffering that goes on with this than I'd like to be. Yet, I carry on with life without accusing every man with a penis as being as vile as the three guys that raped a young boy, me, repeatedly, beat him and cut their initials into his body.

Injustice in ALL ways makes me angry. Yet, despite what I've survived, I can walk down the street without hunting for a murderer and a rapist in every shadow. My conscience is clear. I don't see evil in all things. Hagman have all kinds of faults, and even some good. Not every apology is for incest or child-rape.

But, thanks for your empathy. You have proven yourself to be a true champion of children and victims of abuse. How proud you must be. I'm truly certain as to the nature of your character. Meanwhile, continue your witch hunt for possible, could-be, maybe molesters--which was the point of this thread in the first place because someone read an article or a blind item and decided this was the thing about which she'd obsess to make sure all this Devils in entertainment suffer.

I don't need to create something tawdry out of every situation. I know real evil and what it can do. I also know it's not in everything and everyone. So, enjoy your hand-rubbing, your whispers and your rage at those who you've decided are guilty because you connect 2 and 2 as I leave you with this and your aspie, out of touch glee.

Meanwhile those of us who have suffered, who actually have a reason to be angry, will try to do something of value in the real world! Now, get ready to answer with your sparkling wit. You know, for the children Are you shaking that ass of yours to make sure everyone who's still listening to your speeches don't fall out of their chairs from all the groaning and eye rolling?

Pretending to be a victim as a means to achieve a certain bonafides in defending molesters is a new low, even for an attention whore such as you I wonder if Hagman had a pendulous shlong or a teeny weeny peeny. He was so hot back in the day, so it really wouldn't matter. I've been catching beaucoup Jeannie re-runs on cable, and not only was I surprised at how agile and physical he was with the comedy back flips, pratfalls, etc.

In the declining years of Dallas, did the cast openly complain about the scripts or did they just cash the paychecks? I'm curious about the other actors in the waning days of Dallas, especially Sheree J. Wilson, Kim Foster and Sacha Mitchell. The best actress was the woman who played Callie, Jr's young wife. I always wondered why she never went further with her talent.

By the way, did you meet Brad Pitt and Christine Taylor on the set? They made their big debuts there. PS I loved the actress who played Donna Krebs. Mary Martin was very well off, especially from "The Sound of Music" movie rights. Anyone know who got all the money. Her daughter Heller is still alive. She was smoking hot back then. She only originated the role on Broadway and won the Tony!

Rather, it was Julie Andrews in the movie and who got rich as a result. Mary Martin owned the rights to Maria Von Trapp's story for both stage and film. She sold the film rights to 20th Century Fox. I am not sure how the deal with 20th Century Fox was structured, but she was getting a percent of sales of the soundtrack album of "The Sound of Music" for many years.

She also owned the rights to her musical version of "Peter Pan. That and her forgettable starlet days getting leered at by Desi Arnaz. Not much there, but it keeps her in plastic surgeons. Interesting about the cult of Bel Geddes. Given that she'd been doing tv since the 50s and this was a prime time soap, rather than a prestige vehicle, it all seems kind of silly, but I guess that's Hollywood.

As for Hagman and his "standards", it's not like Mary Martin was Geraldine Page or Julie Harris, now there were heavy weight stage actresses. God, I hate when you get some good gossip and someone who's a good sport about sharing it, and a few typical DL cunts have to shit all over the poster and the gossip. If you don't like it, then fuck off.

DL used to be about fun, now it's just racists and bigots taking dumps on everyone. I was with you, R, until you started your "racists and bigots" rants. Unfortunately, I had already WWed you while reading your first sentence. The McNichol family did a similar hottub shot in an US magazine years ago Jimmy McNichol is very cute on that Us cover. I used to think he always came across as a snotty prick without even trying.

Is it true that Hagman and Mary Martin weren't close until later in life? I think I read that they had a contentious relationship and at one point were estranged. Hagman was raised by his grandma in Texas while Mary attempted stardom in Hollywood in the s and then achieved genuine stardom on Broadway in the s. Mother and son were not close until he became an adult and an actor himself and could forgive her and understand her better.

Hagman talking about his mom at her Kennedy Center honor in , a year before her death. The full tribute down below, but I cut to the part at the end when he appears. Why is it a criminal act for Stephen Collins to expose himself to young girls but perfectly okay for Larry Hagman and other nudists to do the same? Because unlike Stephen Collins, Larry Hagman didn't jack off his hard cock in a 13 year-olds face and cum all over her.

There's a big difference. It was the seventies. People were more lax then. R I think you're confusing the situation with Honey Boo Boo's older sister and her molester, who was her mother's boyfriend. He jerked off on her face and rubbed it in. You may be confused, because the allegations against Collins and Mama June's boyfriend and Bill Cosby, for htat matter happened on the same month October More excerpts from the daughter's book, and more stories about the Jacuzzi.

I may have to get this from the library. Mom thinks I should trim it a little, what do you think? Larry was a hippie, plain and simple. He just had a really great job. Eden didn't bad mouth Hagman in her book, she adored him, she just told stories of his peculiarities. She did tell the story of how she was walking back to her dressing room and she heard shouting and it turned out Hagman was urinating in a potted plant on set and he was being reprimanded, and it wasn't because he was mad or anything, he just had to go and the the plant was there.

Just a few years before his death I got to meet him, Eden, Duffy and Linda Gray at Chiller the autograph show in New Jersey and they were all in the same room and having a great time. They were all still friends and toured the country doing these shows and hanging out. Larry must not have been particularly close to his half sister, Heller Halliday. No mention at all so far.

You mentioned Elizabeth Montgomery - one of my favourite actresses. Any fond memories of her would be greatly appreciated. What was the situation involving Brandon Call getting capped? Was it really a traffic dispute? Drug deal gone awry??? Eldergays, I never watched Dallas as I was too young at the time but I've heard so much about it that I am tempted to check it out.

It would have been a perfect closure - the show began with Bobby returning home to Southfork with new bride Pam and should have ended when he died, remarrying Pam on his deathbed. So I would say the first eight seasons are enjoyable watching. The nefarious dream season year 9 had some good story for the ladies of the show Gray, Principal, Bel Geddes, even Susan Howard , but derailed halfway through and was a complete mess by the end; they salvaged the show by bringing Duffy back and wiping the slate clean with the ridiculous dream gimmick, which was truly the most definitive jump the shark moment for any show since the Fonz started the whole phenomenon.

Although they had a pretty good season with year 10 by presenting more traditional DALLAS-storylines the Jenna-Bobby-Pam triangle in particular , the show had reached its zenith and was ready for the slaughterhouse. One by one, most of the principal cast members - Principal, Gray, Bel Geddes, Howard and Kanaly - all jumped ship, leaving Hagman and Duffy to stubbornly beat a dead horse for the remaining seasons.

Blonde bimbos peopled the cast, Susan Lucci played an international terrorist Daley seemed like he was nerdy but a horn dog when he appeared on Match Game. Larry was good friends with Keith Moon. Keith's GF and Larry's wife were both Swedish and the wives became close friends. Larry threw Keith in the car and drove him to the hospital a few times when he ODd.

Like everyone else, Hagman tiredof Moon's craziness, but he and his wife felt sorry for Moon's gf, Annette. He'd gone to pot very quickly after looking so gorgeous in I Dream of Jeannie. Must have been the booze. R I know, right? In just four years, his looks changed dramatically. Then again, looks can change drastically in one year. A few years ago, there was this guy at my gym, who was a hardcore gym bunny, and it showed.

But then I stopped seeing him around. Fast forward a little over a year later, and I ran into him wobbling out and about town. He'd gotten quite heavy e. He said that he got injured trying to jump over the porch stair railing during a cookout, misjudged the height, and ended up fracturing his hip. He could still walk on it though he was using the aid of a cane , but he said his life had gotten sedentary, since he couldn't do anything strenuous.

I think he even said he needed a hip replacement. At any rate, his looks were shot to hell in just one year. Timothy Patrick Murphy was gay. Did he have it easy on the set? He claimed to have had an affair with Brad Davis. Is that how he got AIDS? I sense that Hagman gave Murphy grief because he was by all accounts a queeny acting kid and that rubbed Hagman the wrong way.

With Rambo I think it was just that he was groomed as Duffy's "replacement" and Hagman wasn't having any of that even though it had been Duffy's choice to leave. Rambo being well known for being a promiscuous gay man probably didn't help. I think you may be thinking Sweden This is only abnormal for people who are projecting their own perverted fantasies that they can't face onto a single photograph.

My Neighbor Totoro - Dad gets daughters to laugh away their fear of a scary storm. A very sweet scene, but I am sure it will cause some of the prudes here to go into convulsions. I read Larry's daughter's book today. He drank way too much until the end and cheated. Since Mary Martin's mom raised both Mary and her son, Larry, the daughter emphasized their perhaps natural inclinations to allow their respective spouses to run their lives.

Mary and Larry did what they wanted, and if they were caught, they blamed the other person in the marriage. Love your posts and insider info, Rusty. Please don't let the bitches turn you off; they are exhausting but I hate the idea of letting them win somehow. My story is nowhere near as exciting but it is a part of the Hagman story -- the final chapter, in fact.

It's not as sexy to report as fights and drugs but that was the happiest set on which I ever worked. Maybe he knew his time was coming and he wanted to repair any past bad behavior but they all adored him. And it was cool that he got to be reunited with so many of his old gang -- which not having to carry the whole show. Cast and crew loved the younger cast members just as much, by the way: Odd nobody even cared to make us sign Confidentiality agreements, which is ridiculously standard these days.

Hagman died pretty soon after the season I worked on was wrapped. The show continued on for a few more but never really became "watercooler TV". More the TNT thing, I bet, than the show itself. Who can watch all of these channels and keep up with the content? Yes indeed, we too use "cookies.

I know we do! You can thank the EU parliament for making everyone in the world click on these pointless things while changing absolutely nothing. Otherwise, you'll just have to find some other site for your pointless bitchery needs. Larry Hagman and his family naked in their sauna How did Getty Images get these Err, no, that's not normal.

I wouldn't have minded skinny dipping with him during the I Dream of Jeannie years. Larry really seems to like the guy. He liked peeing at the edges of his property to let the animals know it was his. Does Larry have Rosesca? Where was Mary Martin during all of this? The son, or whoever the young guy is, was cute. Americans are so uptight. But you were all male, correct?

I don't see a sauna in the OP. Just a hot tub. Sorry that's just fucked up. Can one even be considered nude if one is wearing a toupee? That's his wife, son and daughter. And who were the nasty actors on Dallas? R10 Did you work on Knots Landing too?

Yes and Larry Hagman's wife was Swedish. You better return tomorrow. I wonder if he ever invited Christopher Atkins over for a dip. Any more pictures of that house? I'd love to see more. You seem to have put some thought into the pairings R Does that sort of thing turn you on?

Not every family is just like yours, R Why not just slip on some trunks and bikinis? We await your posts, r10! Jews have to rub their dicks on everything, r God how I lusted after Hagman during his Jeannie days. My definition of a hot daddy. Larry's son is eye-fucking his sister while giving Larry a handy under the water.

The son really looks like his Grandma Mary in that pic! R10 were you on camera? Are you Sasha Mitchell. R63, I cried when he died, too. Not to sound mean, but that lady from the Step by Step show looks like a whore. R66, it's not mean if it's true. Any thoughts on Howard Keel, r10?

Fathers and sons naked together is no big deal. Mothers and sons naked together is creepy. Why did they get rid of that little boy on Step by Step? Did they think we wouldn't notice? LH was a real shit to the actor that played Mickey Trotter because he was queer. Larry seems to have an eye for the only attractive one in the bunch R10 - tell me your drink of choice and cuddle up next to me.

Looking forward to your return. See you tomorrow, R10! Thanks for all the stories. Rusty, it's a pleasure to have you here. Come back any time: Rusty, are you saying that coke was everywhere on sets in the s? BC was guessed to be the poor kid who left the business, still troubled these years later. Please let's not take this thread away from its topic, girls.

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